This is a 13" Marlene Eddlemen Flex Tree Circle Y saddle. This saddle has been a very good saddle for me and it fits about any horse that it has been on. It has a 8" gullet. The seat is a black suede. The saddle is in great condition, I've had this saddle for almost a year. I need to sell this saddle because it doesn't fit me. THe stirrups and back cinch are included. You can call, text or email me if your interested. Only serious inquires only please.